Icon Hybrid spec, particularly tyre size and bulbs used

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MarkyMUK

Discussion Starter · Jan 21, 2017

Hi All

Have just changed my order from white to Decuma Grey in the icon.

Am I right in saying that tyres on the standard 17" rims are 215/60/17 if so are the XL and what's the speed rating? Need this so I can purchase some winter rubber for fitting in colder months

Also what bulbs does this base model take as would like to upgrade the:

1) Headlights to nightbreaker
2) Fogs as above
3) Interior bulbs to LED festoon type

Am unsure if the car has a CANBUS type arrangement that stops LED bulbs being used externally without a resistor fitted?

Have been unable to download the manual, which may have all of these answers

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giannisvrch

· #2 · Jan 21, 2017

May it's a good topic to ask also if "Center Hybrid" version day leds, are those "lines" bellow the lights or just lamps inside them.

Is this available on CHR Center HYbrid?
(Don't know how its called in UK, but its the basic version of hybrid)

Photo by @DANIEL.PRZYGODA

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MarkyMUK

Discussion Starter · #3 · Jan 21, 2017

Base model of the hybrid is called the 'Icon' in the UK.

Yes it says LED DRL's and would suspect it's the lights visible in your picture as the inner lights at the top of the cluster.

It would seem silly/costly to have a completely different design of cluster?

JulianoG

· #4 · Jan 21, 2017

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The C-HR is light and does not require XL tires. As for the speed index, you need S or above. The dealer fitted my C-HR with 16" steel wheels with 215/65r16 tires - an option available in my country.

The fog lights are either LED or 18w halogen with H16 bulb. Just do not mistake it for the old standard shown on the left in the picture below. Ours is the one on the right, manufactured by Osram:

Non-LED headlights have a different cluster consisting of:
1. Low/high beam projector with HIR2 / 9012 halogen bulb. This is the brightest possible halogen bulb at 55w and the only usable upgrade is to HID.
2. LED DRL with 3 leds, similar to the Auris ones (IM for non-Europeans)
3. Incadescent orange bulb for the indicators PY21w, a.k.a. Bau15s

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MarkyMUK

Discussion Starter · #5 · Jan 22, 2017

The HR12 bulb is already a Osram nightbreaker or Philips X-treme Vision already then?

https://www.bltdirect.com/osram-night-breaker-unlimited-h11-55w-pgj19-2-halogen-headlight-lamp?adcid=pla&gclid=CO6MwKb21dECFUk8Gwod7p8DiA

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Philips-X-treme-Vision-LED-Fog-Lamp-x2-Replacement-of-H8-H11-H16-Halogen-/381605625511?hash=item58d977bea7:g:3x8AAOSw1DtXFkuN

JulianoG

· #6 · Jan 22, 2017

Actually it is brighter and lasts longer + emits less heat than the standard 55w bulbs. If you switch to Night breaker or any other non-HIR bulb, you risk to melt/burn the projector. As I said above, the only acceptable but not legal upgrade is to HID.
Aftermarket LED bulbs are still not bright enough and scatter light worse than the HID ones, so actually you will see less and blind more.

MarkyMUK

Discussion Starter · #7 · Jan 22, 2017

So Osram makes the bulbs, do you know which spec they are?

Also does anyone know:

1) If the air filter is a standard Prius type, am not after attempting any type of performance filter but prefer to change mine out at 5000 miles
2) What oil it uses, is it 0w20 like the Prius?

giannisvrch

· #8 · Jan 24, 2017

MarkyMUK said:
Base model of the hybrid is called the 'Icon' in the UK.

Yes it says LED DRL's and would suspect it's the lights visible in your picture as the inner lights at the top of the cluster.

It would seem silly/costly to have a completely different design of cluster?

I'm not sure if LED daytime running lights are those lines or just bulbs inside. It's strange i've never seen Icon on tests or advertisements with these lighting "lines" on. If anybody drives Icon please let me know

Thank you!

JulianoG

· #9 · Jan 24, 2017

MarkyMUK said:
It would seem silly/costly to have a completely different design of cluster?

giannisvrch said:
I'm not sure if LED daytime running lights are those lines or just bulbs inside. It's strange i've never seen Icon on tests or advertisements with these lighting "lines" on. If anybody drives Icon please let me know

Below is a picture of my non-LED Headlights. On the left is the turn signal lamp which I upgraded to switchback LED lamp (white parking light + amber turn signal). On the right is the halogen projector (also upgraded with 55W HID 5000K kit) and the stock LED DRL are the three dots in the middle:

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giannisvrch

· #10 · Jan 24, 2017

Thank you for your reply! So..we miss the "line" in Icon.
Hope to find a way to install :roll:

JulianoG

· #11 · Jan 24, 2017

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Wait, there is more. The LED headlights come in package with:
1. LED Fog lights
2. LED Rear lights
3. LED Indicators in the rear view mirrors
4. Front light washers
5. Automatic headlight leveling

All non-LED headlight cars come with conventional incandescent units. The following 2 pictures show the difference in the rear lights:
LED:

Non-LED:

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giannisvrch

· #12 · Jan 24, 2017

Yeah, you are right. I just notice this now in Toyota website.
Although.. unfortunately as i can see it's not available with icon version :| In Greece at least..

ans

· #13 · Jan 26, 2017

sorry i removed my post ,i dont think the dynamic has Front light washers

JulianoG

· #14 · Jan 29, 2017

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Just found pictures of the 2 different types of headlights:

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Blue407

· #15 · Jan 31, 2017

In the UK, from what I've read, the Dynamic comes with LED headlights. Also sequential indicators, like some of the Audi's have.

JulianoG

· #16 · Feb 5, 2017

Yes, it seems that in UK the LED headlights are standard with the Dynamic trim level and do not have washers. In my country they are required by law and I assumed that it is some sort of EU regulation, but apparently not.

MarkyMUK

Discussion Starter · #17 · Feb 5, 2017

I may be wrong but I believe that any low beam headlight that emits greater than 2000 lumens must have a washer system.

Any with less doesn't need them and the regs don't apply to high beam

So if the C-HR is fitted with LED headlights which have 2000 low beans and 3000 high/full beams it doesn't technically need washers.

All Xenon (from the factory) fitted cars will automatically emit greater than 2000 lumens and therefore must have washers...but I have seen some exceptions and they don't apply to legal aftermarket fitments.

So in my case my Jaguar has OEM jaguar xenons but no washers, however by virtue of the fact that they weren't fitted to my model until two years after my car rolled off the production line....it doesn't legally need them in the UK.

But UK MOT laws are a little weird, for example my Jag has an LPG system and runs on gas 99% of the time, as a result its emissions are less than a modern 1.0 petrol micra. However due to a change to the MOT laws in 2014 any car fitted with catalytic converters from the factory must have them fitted to pass an MOT test, even though (in my case) they serve no environmental purpose. So I fit bypass pipes 11 months of the year and fit my cats for one month and the test

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MerlyWerly

· #18 · Feb 9, 2017

Sorry to Hijack your post but my question is mostly on topic

It seems from your posts then that the Excel trim also only comes with Halogen bulbs and not LED? Is that right?
On all the cars I have ever had I have fitted bright white bulbs to avoid the Halogen yellow appearance. OSRAM being a favourite of mine.

As the CHR is new most bulb sites don't have it listed with alternatives.
What are the legal and safe options to get a white appearance? The mix of answers in this post confused me a bit. And yes, I am easily confused

Merly.

MarkyMUK

Discussion Starter · #19 · Feb 10, 2017

Nope it says 'Icon' in the first sentence of the opening post, plus my screen name places me in the UK

Yes like you I've fitted LED DRL's to my other current cars (jag XK and Audi A6 quattro) for that brighter look, both of these cars have xenon bulbs for dipped beam.

Don't worry about being confused....it comes with age

JulianoG

· #20 · Feb 10, 2017

MerlyWerly said:
Excel trim also only comes with Halogen bulbs and not LED? Is that right?

At least from the official site of Toyota UK, yes Excel is only available with incandescent bulbs. You can ask the dealer if they can add LED as an option, especially if you havent't placed the order yet.

MerlyWerly said:
As the CHR is new most bulb sites don't have it listed with alternatives.
What are the legal and safe options to get a white appearance?

The only alternatives to HIR2 bulbs are replacement with HB4 LED or HID. HID is definitely not legal unless you somehow find a 25w HB4 kit.
LED might be legal if you buy a high-quality product (not equal to most expensive). I will try to find a link or picture of such a kit.
EDIT: They should look like the ones on the picture - small LED chips arranged in single line with heat dissipating flexible belts and a single cable to a ballast:

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